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PEZ Talk：Milram’s Luke Roberts

PEZ 访谈：Milram车队的Luke Roberts

原文地址：http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=7679

The best team pursuit rider, ever? With national, world junior, Commonwealth, world senior and Olympic titles to his name, Aussie, Luke Roberts can't be far away. We spoke to the man from Adelaide during the six days of Grenoble, which he went on to win, with partner, Franco Marvulli.

最好的车队都永远想追求这位车手吗？他的名字，Luke Roberts，在澳大利亚、全球青少年、整个英联邦、世界顶级车手和奥运冠军们都不会陌生。在Grenoble比赛的第六天，我们采访了这位来自Adelaide的男人，他将继续与他的搭档Franco Marvulli去赢得比赛。

PEZ: You were three times junior world champion, Luke.
Luke: In '94 I won individual bronze and team pursuit gold; but in '95 I got both golds. There was a lot of pressure, we were only 17 or 18 and on the same training programme as the elites - guys like Stuey O'Grady, Brad McGee and Dean Woods.

PEZ：Luke，你曾经拿过3次青少年世界冠军。

Luke：在94年，我为自己赢得一枚铜牌和车队的追逐赛的金牌；但在95年我拿了所有的金牌。当时充满了压力，我只有一个十七八岁，但却与像Stuey O'Grady、Brad McGee和Dean Woods这样的顶级选手一起训练。.

PEZ: But it took you a few years to find your feet at senior level.
Luke: Leading up to Sydney 2000 there was a lot of pressure. Those were the years when the amateur/pro distinction was done away with and '97 up to 2000 was a struggle. There were riders on the programme like Mick Rogers and Baden Cooke - we were all 'good' but not at the top.

The national programme changed too and I think it was only when we went to Europe and raced there as professionals that we moved up. That led to me being part of the Aussie team that won three Worlds (02, 03 and 04) and the Olympics (04); I was part of that and all the records we set.

PEZ：但这你也是仅仅花了几年的时间，就在顶级水平的比赛中站稳了脚跟。

Luke：前往参加悉尼2000年奥运会的道路是有很多压力的。在那几年里，我克服了业余与职业选手之间的差距，97至2000年是一个奋斗的过程。当时还有像Mick Rogers和Baden Cooke和我一道训练，我们当时都已经很棒，但不是最好的。

这个国家的训练计划改变了许多东西。我意识到只有当我们走向欧洲赛场，因为那里的专业，我们才能得到提高。那使得我成为了澳洲车队的一员，我们也赢得了三次世界冠军（02、03和04年）和04年奥运冠军。我成为了顶级车手中的一员，我们创造了所有的记录。

PEZ: Two individual Worlds silvers, too.
Luke: Yeah, I was unlucky to come across the "Two Brads" - McGee and Wiggins. My focus from 2002 to 2004 was the team pursuit. We had an incredible group of seven or eight guys and there was a lot of pressure, but I guess I was the backbone of the team. The fitness I had from that training gave me the speed for the individual pursuit

PEZ：还有两枚个人的第二名呢？

Luke：是的，我很不幸地遇到“两枚钉子”，McGee和Wiggins。在2002年到2004年我的注意力摆在团体追逐赛中。我们拥有七八个小伙子组成的令人难以置信的团队，当然也充满压力，但我猜我当时应该算是车队的核心吧。对训练的适应使我速度不断提高到了个人追逐赛的水平。

PEZ: After silver to McGee in '02 you must have thought you could win in '03?
Luke: For sure, my second to McGee at Copenhagen was a bit of a surprise; I'd ridden 4-19 at the Commonwealth Games and ended up fourth, I wasn't sure how I'd do at the Worlds. But I qualified second fastest and ended up silver medallist to McGee.

The next year, the Worlds were in Cologne and with living in Germany, I had a lot of friends and family there - and McGee wasn't riding. But that was the year when Wiggins stepped up to a different level - I thought I had it won, but he put in a 1:2, or maybe even a 1:1 last kilometre and that was that!

PEZ：在经历02年McGee比赛的银牌后，你告诉自己03年一定要赢吗？

Luke：当然，在Copenhagen 比赛中我屈居McGee的后面，我的银牌还是给了我相当的惊喜。在英联邦锦标赛中，我4到19名都拿过，最终是以第4名结束，我不确定我可以在世界冠军赛中有什么作为。但相比McGeey，我还是有资格成为第二快的人并赢得了一枚银牌。

接下来那年，世界冠军赛在Cologne举行，我与德国人住在一起，我的家庭和有许多朋友都在那里，McGee不骑车了。但正是那年Wiggins提升到一个不一样的水平——我想我应该可以赢吧，但最后一公里他用的齿比去到1：2或许甚至1：1吧——事情也就这样啦。

PEZ: You were absent from team pursuiting from 04 until '08.
Luke: I signed with CSC and rode for them for three seasons; that was an awesome experience but team pursuiting wasn't the priority - the Tour was. At the end of 2007, my contract wasn't renewed and I decided to go back to my original team - Senges - the one I was with leading up to Athens and that allowed me to concentrate on the team pursuit, again.

PEZ：从04年直到08年，你都缺席了车队的团体追逐赛。

Luke：我与CSC车队签了约，并为他们战斗了3个赛季；那是一段可怕的经历，但在职业比赛中，团体追逐赛并不是优先的选择。在07年年尾，车队没和我续约，我决定回到我原来的Senges车队，一支在我带领下前往了Athens并允许我再次全神贯注于团体追逐赛中的队伍。

PEZ: What's 'Senges?'
Luke: They no longer sponsor the team - they were an industrial cleaning firm - it's Kuota (bikes and frames)/Indeland, this year. But the team has had a pro licence since 2001 and were developing a good structure, when I joined in 2002. I spent a lot of time racing and training in Germany and made a lot of friends there, so it was a good fit for me to join a German team. There's a lot of crits and track racing which suit me better than racing in Italy or Spain, say.

PEZ：什么是“Senges”？

Luke：他们不再支持赞助我们这支队伍了——他们是Kuota公司下属的一间工厂清洁公司。但这支车队自从01年就获得职业车队的证书并逐步发展成一个很完善的架构，当我02年加盟的时候，我花了大量时间在德国比赛和训练并在那认识了很多朋友，所以对于我来所加盟一支德国车队是再适合不过的了。相比起意大利和西班牙，那里有许许多多比赛更适合我的比赛。

PEZ: How many sixes did you ride last season?
Luke: I did six, all with different partners, it would be good to get a regular Aussie partner because a lot of the organisers want 'national' teams.

With me signing for Milram, I have to fit my sixes in around training camps - but the team is happy for me to ride them. They think it's a good way of keeping in shape over the winter. My last six before this was Copenhagen, with Jakob Moe, back in February.

PEZ：上一个赛季你参加多了多少场sixes这样的比赛？

Luke：我分别与不同的搭档参加了六次，与澳洲车手搭档是不错的，因为很多主办方都希望有很多国家队来参加。当我与Milram车队签约的时候，我得适应在训练营周围——但车队对于我参加这个比赛时非常高兴的。他们觉得这是保持状态的一个好方法。在这之前的最后一场比赛是Copenhagen赛，我回到了February.和Jakob Moe搭档。

PEZ: But back to Pro Tour for 2010.
Luke: Yeah, it's awesome to be moving form Division Three back to Pro Tour. They want me for my experience, to do a job for Gerard Ciolek, organising his lead out. At CSC we weren't structured for a sprint train, but my background in team pursuiting ideally suits me to the role.

PEZ：但2010又回到职业队伍去了。

Luke：是的，从Division中回去试可怕的。已经三次回到职业队里去了。他们希望我的经验，可以帮助到Gerard Ciolek去准备他的崛起。在CSC车队里，我们没有建立短距离高速的训练，但以我的经历，在这支队伍里，我可以完美地胜任我的角色。

PEZ: How did you get the ride at Milram?
Luke: Through contacts in Germany; they looked at what I had to offer and thought my experience and fresh motivation would be good for the team. They're not so happy with how 2009 went and want a better year, next year.

PEZ：你是怎么去到Milram骑行的呢？

Luke：在德国通过联系，他们了解我可以提供的东西并认为我的经验以及源源不断的动力对这支队伍有很大帮助。他们并不是很满意车队09年的表现，也希望来年能做得更好。

PEZ: Which road result has given you most satisfaction?
Luke: I was in the CSC team time trial squad when David Zabriskie crashed whilst in the yellow jersey - I was on his wheel. It would have been awesome to win a Tour de France stage; but we were beaten by one second. At 30 kilometres that day, our average speed was 60 kph!
PEZ：那场比赛的结果你觉得是最满意的？

Luke：在CSC车队我参加的那场个人计时赛，当David Zabriskie穿着黄色领骑衫冲线的时候，我就要追到他了。如果我赢得这一站环法的冠军那就恐怖了，可惜我们被还是以一两秒之差被击败了。那天跑30公里，我们的平均速度去到了60kp/h!

PEZ: What would make 2010 a success for Luke Roberts?
Luke: Leading out Gerard Ciolek to a Tour de France stage win would make it a perfect year!
PEZ：你觉得2010怎样才算成功？

Luke：带领Gerard Ciolek崛起，并获得一站环法冠军，那这一年就完美了。

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With thanks to Luke for his time and congratulations on his first six day win.

感谢Luke抽出他的时间来配合我们，我们也祝贺他在第一个6天赛中获胜。

不是突然想起切格瓦拉才写点关于他的东西，只是一直很想将《切格瓦拉语录》这本书分享给大家。借读书报告课要交作业的机会，顺便就把关于这个人、这本书的又一点看法写了下来。

不了解切格瓦拉的人，只知道那个黑白头像是一个符号；了解一点的，知道那个头像与革命有关。了解深入点了，又知道了他的《摩托车日记》。再深入点，对于他的性格、他的事业、甚至他的感情，大家的看法就开始产生分歧了。

切格瓦拉是个革命家，毋庸置疑。但是否是一个成功的革命家，见仁见智。反正事实大家可以查到，他没带领士兵获得多少场胜利，但他又确确实实是古巴人民、是第三世界人民的英雄。恰好，这给予我们一个启示——切格瓦拉征服民众的不是他的军事才能，也不是他的理论巨作，而就是他本身一种为人处事、饱经风霜后的人格魅力。

“爱情”

从初恋奇奇娜、到一直保持频繁通信的蒂塔、再到革命知己、也是第一任夫人伊尔达，还有后来的阿莱伊达、塔尼娅和不知多少一夜情的烟花女，在切的一生中从不缺乏异性相伴。如果他是生活在中国，那简直就是一种灾难。从离家出走环游南美，到踏上革命的道路，再成为国家领导人，对于爱情，切表现出来的一个态度不是古人歌颂的什么忠贞不渝，而是一个拉丁美洲人民特有的浪漫与热烈。他是那一种“不能保证一辈子都和一个人在一起、却可以发誓和你在一起的日子里心里就只有你一个”的诗人。花花公子吗？不是。只是每次在爱情与事业的岔口上，他都义无反顾地选择了事业、选择革命。“听起来貌似很荒唐，但我觉得正真的革命是由爱引起的。”这句话代表了他对事业与爱情的态度与看法，他相信只有坚守在革命的道路上才会拾获真正的爱情与婚姻，他绝不会因为爱情而放弃革命，那样到头来只会两手空空。可是这位伟大的革命家，却最后倒在了爱情的手里——在离开古巴、踏上玻利瓦尔革命的征程上，一直陪伴他左右的女人塔尼娅是一名双重间谍——真是她最后出卖了切格瓦拉。

不要从结果去评论切格瓦拉的选择是否正确，虽然如果切格瓦拉留在古巴，和伊达尔一齐度过余下的日子是个很美满的结果。但是他的性格却决定了他不会老老实实安分地呆在一个地方，牺牲不是偶然，是个他自己都可以看得出来的结果。如果留在古巴，他就不是切格瓦拉了。

“高尔夫”

在《切格瓦拉语录》里有那么一段话：革命与贵族之间的关系充满迷局。大部分的贵族背弃了他们的阶级，但继承了那些小资生活的方式。卡斯特罗与切都喜欢高尔夫，或者雪茄。这些东西甚至成为他们形象的标志。《时代》周刊曾经在一期以切为封面的文章中称“……（切）同时还用雪茄烟、日记、照片、游记战术与世界对话，他是美国的敌人，同时也是苏联的敌人。”当然，这个敌人显然对于生活有自己的看法，战争、高尔夫，甚至有点花边的革命艳遇，这些组成了这个传奇人物与他的生活，包括革命。

高尔夫为什么不能成为革命的一部分呢？既然可以抽烟，为什么不能抽雪茄呢？如果对于每样东西都要追问它的出生究竟带有的是阶级性还是革命性，那显然本末倒置。革命是革命，生活是生活。为了革命，他可以节衣缩食，教导下面的同志要节省开支。后来，在古巴的其他领导都说被切请吃饭是一件痛苦的事情，因为每次都是很简单、很难吃的饭菜。然而、切格瓦拉却依然打高尔夫、打棒球、抽雪茄。他就是那么一个充满人情味的人。

最后，我必须得谈谈我对《切格瓦拉语录》这本书的理解。首先，它绝对不是一本严谨理性的学术著作。绝对不是。如果你抱着这种心态去买了这本书，想从这个角度去了解切格瓦拉这个人的话，我可以告诉你——走错路了。这本书不是这种书，切格瓦拉也不是这种人。其次，有人嫉妒这本书的魅力胜于中国革命的众多书籍。我觉得这是编辑中国革命书籍的人应该反省的事情。更确切地说，当下应该反省的是宣传革命事迹、革命历史的一个态度与角度。教科书般的陈词、单调的论述、统一的感情色彩，把人不当人写，把事不当事述，我们是厌倦的、拒绝的。

原文地址：http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=7670&status=True&catname=Latest%20News

Here at Pez we pride ourselves on being on the case of who's up and coming - but sometimes even Pez misses the boat. The first we heard of Tom Faiers was when he signed recently for Pro Tour team Footon-Servetto; but a quick call to the team's main man - ex-pro Mauro Gianetti, soon had us in communication with the 22 year-old Englishman from Cheltenham, who has the likes of Luis Leon Sanchez and Alejandro Valverde singing his praises.

在PEZ这里，我们对于能处理一个关于一个车手成长的案例感到非常自豪，因为甚至有时候连PEZ也会错过这样的机会。第一次听到有关Tom Faiers的消息还是当他最近与职业车队Footon-Servetto签约的时候，但很快我们就联系上车队的主要负责人Mauro Gianetti，使得我们能与这个来自Cheltenham，喜欢Leon Sanchez 和Alejandro Valverde 唱歌的22岁英国小伙进行交流。

PEZ: Congratulations on the contract and thank you for taking the time to speak to Pez - how come we've not heard of you, Tom?
Tom: I'm new to it all, I've never raced in the UK; I came into cycling late, at 18 after a year in triathlon.

PEZ：恭喜你获得这个这份合同，同时感谢你抽时间来上来PEZ交流。为什么一直以来我们都没怎么听到有关你的消息，Tom？

Tom：对于这里的一切我都是一个新人，我从来没有在英国比赛，我很迟才正式开始自己的职业生涯，应该在18岁那年吧，正好玩了一年铁人三项后。

PEZ: Why Spain?
Tom: I went on a Graham Baxter training camp to Murcia when I was 18. When I was out there, we ran into Spanish amateurs and pros; one day we met Valverde and Sanchez, I stayed with them in the hills - everyone else was dropped - and they encouraged me to race over there. It was really hard to start with, I didn't speak any Spanish and I drove to races on my own, in my car, which I'd brought over from England. I stayed in Graham Baxter's house in Murcia for a while, then I rented an apartment, there.

PEZ：为什么会在西班牙开始？

Tom：18岁的时候，我住在Murcia继续Graham Baxter的训练。当我从那里出来后，我遇到一些西班牙的职业和业余的队员。有一天我遇见了Valverde和Sanchez，我和他们一起呆在山里。其他人都在下降，他们都鼓励我在那里比赛。这是一个艰难的开始，我不会说西班牙语，我一个人开着从英格兰拿回来的汽车去比赛。在Murcia，我住了一段时间Graham Baxter的房子，然后我就在那租了间公寓、

PEZ: You rode for the Camargo team, this year?
Tom: I rode for Fuenlabrada in 2008 and went to Camargo for 2009. It's a good set up, ranked fifth in Spain, the manager is very knowledgeable and there's a family, friendly feel to it.

PEZ：你这一年都为Camagro车队效力吗？

Tom：我08年为Fuenlabrada车队效力，然后在09年久去了Camargo车队。这是一个好的开始，车队在西班牙排名第五，而也管理者非常有见识。在这里是个家庭，至少我是这么友好地感受到。

PEZ: Palmares?
Tom: In the first two years, I didn't ride a lot of races, it was hard to enter races and get to them. But in '08 I started to find my legs and had around 70 race days - including 10 Tours. This year was my breakthrough, I was 8th in the Vuelta Madrid, which is one of the biggest under 23 races in Spain. I had a lot top six places and three wins - the U23 Championship of Asturias, the Elite U23 GP Orgario and an elite U23 in Cantabria.

PEZ：把握住机会了么？

Tom：在开头的两年，我无法去骑行很多比赛，我很难融入比赛并跟住大家的节奏。但在08年，我开始找到自己的感觉，并完成了大概70天的骑行比赛，包括10场职业比赛。这一年是我的一个突破，在Vuelta Madrid中获得第八，这是西班牙最大的U23赛事。我参加了许多top six的比赛并获得了3次冠军——澳大利亚U23赛冠军、U23 GP Orgario精英赛冠军和U23 Cantabria冠军。

PEZ: Did you ever consider the GB "performance plan" as an option?
Tom: I didn't bother to start with because I didn't have results but in April or May, I rang Rod Ellingworth at British Cycling. He hadn't heard of me and didn't know much about the Spanish scene - so that came to nothing.

PEZ：作为选择，你没有考虑过GB的“performance计划”吗？

Tom：我从没被如何开始烦恼过，因为在五六月份的时候我没有任何结果。在英国赛时，我打电话给Ellingworth，他根本不认识我，也并不了解西拔牙的情况。所以事情就不了了之。

PEZ: Do you have an agent?
Tom: No, the contract for Footon-Servetto was set up between my Camargo team boss and Matxin the DS at Servetto. I've only spoken to Matxin a couple of times, but it was he who spotted the results I was getting. I've spoken to Mauro Gianetti, the boss, and he's been very friendly.
PEZ：你有经纪人吗？

Tom：没有，这份Footon-Servetto合约是我Camargo车队老板和Servetto 的Maxtin签订的。我只是和Maxtin谈过几次，但正是他使我获得了今天的结果。我已经和车队老板Mauro Gianetti谈过，他非常友善。

PEZ: Was there one ride in particular that clinched the deal?
Tom: In the Vuelta Palencia, I was second in the time trial, just 30 seconds behind the Spanish champion. It was my first time trial so I wasn't sure how I would go and I didn't give it 100%. I beat the time trial specialists in my own team by two minutes - it was that ride which Matxin really noticed. I'm a climber, really, 68 kilos, tall and thin, I don't have big muscle mass, I was surprised how I went in that time trial.
PEZ：有什么特别的比赛促使得这份合同谈成吗？

Tom：Matxin真正注意到我是在Vuelta Palencia的比赛里。我获得了个人计时赛的第二名，仅仅落后与西班牙冠军30秒。这是我第一次参加个人计时赛，所以我不能确定我该怎么做，所以我并没有百分百发挥。但我以2分钟的优势击败了我们队的计时赛好手。我是一个爬坡选手，真的，68公斤，又高又瘦，又没有很大块的肌肉。我都对自己在计时赛的表现感到惊讶。

PEZ: How's the Spanish; do you have the swear words?
Tom: I'm pretty much fluent now, the first two years were very hard, I couldn't even ring up my team manager to talk to him about where we were racing. And yes, I have all the swear words!
PEZ：西班语练得怎么样；学会了所有的脏话了吗？

Tom：现在说起来真是非常流利了。头两年真是非常困难，我甚至连打电话给车队经理问问我们要去哪里比赛都不行。现在好了，所有的脏话我都会讲了！

PEZ: Are you nervous about the jump to Pro Tour?
Tom: Yes, but looking forward to it too, I have a team mate with me, so that will make things a bit easier, but I really want to learn what it's all about.
PEZ：对于跳到职业队，紧张吗？

Tom：是的，但我同时也很期待。我有位队友陪我，所以这使得事情变得容易很多。但我真是非常想学到关于这里一切。

PEZ: Do you have your programme, yet?
Tom: We have a team meet on November 28 in Santander, we'll be getting our bikes then - I'm pretty sure it'll be Fujis - and talking about my programme. They'll decide if I'm riding San Luis in Argentina or the Tour Down Under.
PEZ：你有你自己的计划吗？

Tom：11月28日，我们将在santander召开个车队会议，我们将会拿到自己的车（我敢肯定那一定是Fujis的），然后开始我的计划。他们会决定我究竟参加在Argentina的San Luis大赛还是Tour Down Under。

PEZ: Have you started training, yet?
Tom: I've had five weeks off and am just back in the gym and on the bike.
PEZ：有开始训练了吗？

Tom：我已经训练5个星期了。之前还在健身房黎，刚从自行车下来。

PEZ: Goals for 2010?
Tom: I'm not targeting any specific race, or anything like that, I really just want to learn a lot and adapt. I want to stay with the pace, not be in the gruppetto.

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There you have it, like Jimmy Cliff says; "you can get it if you really want!"

PEZ：2010的目标是什么？

Tom：我没有指定很明确的赛事目标和类似的东西。我仅仅希望能学到很多东西和适应这一切。我希望是很平稳的发展，而不是大起大落。

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这就是你拥有的，像Jimmy Cliff说的那样：“如果你真正渴望得到，你才能获得。”